What is 18 Shake?
He looked like a plain man but I had learned most millionaires looked and dressed like him from a few of the books I had been reading so I decided to give listen to him. This is so BAD and such a scam!!! Maybe the scammers will stop saying they are 1 and conning friends and relatives pit of their money. This could not have happened to better, more deserving people. I did a little more digging and found the rest of his quote here:. Rob, I think you would be interested in reading the comments starting May 18, at 2:
What is the 18 Shake Diet?
As a personal finance writer, I want to get the most value for my dollar. So I was wondering if I could create something pretty close to the same for a cheaper cost. Get a gallon bag, pour the Metamucil Clear into it… then put 25 scoops of the Muscle Milk into it.
You now have 57 servings of 12g protein and 5g fiber. Take a multivitamin with the shake… done. I answer to the name Lazy Man and not even I am that lazy. In particular there was a comparison with Kashi GoLean cereal one that I brought on as I consider it to be a relatively healthy cereal with 9 gram of protein and 8 grams of fiber. Vi-Crunch has more protein 12g and less fiber 5g , so I consider essentially a wash nutritionally. Doing the math it turns out that ViCrunch is 8.
But it gets worse. Remember the part about Vi-Crunch having lower sugar and salt and probably not tasting as well. Well ViSalus solves that by creating ViCrunch Fusions, a topping that you can add to make it taste better. Standardizing on a serving size allows us to compare apples to apples. Oh one more thing. The blog Living la Vida Low Carb takes an in-depth look — it is well worth reading before you try the product.
ViSalus contains soy, which is a controversial ingredient, especially for men. In addition to the point about soy, it is an even cheaper ingredient that the whey protein. I had thought that ViSalus was fairly safe from these things.
After all, the products are mostly for weight loss. So any kind of health claim could be easily traced to a person losing weight, which, as a reminder, can happen with any number of products ViSalus brings nothing special or unique to the table. The video is an episode of The Pyramid Thing, which is a series of videos following ViSalus distributors including their co-founder Nick Sarnicola.
Lest you be tempted to try the product for any health condition, I caution you against it. You can read it here. The BMWs are not free. First, let me cover….
The ViSalus Bimmer Club! Take a minute and notice the language here: So why should you refuse the BMW? Thus maintaining the level for the BMW is difficult.
If sales drop, you need to come up with the payments on the car. This can be especially difficult because, well, your sales have dropped so you are earning less. It reminds me of the mortgage lenders in and offering people adjustable rate loans to give them low initial payments. Many people found that this allowed them to afford their dream house i. A lot of commenters have suggested that ViSalus creates a community with a common goal and that buddy helps people lose weight.
They specifically point to the ViSalus Day challenge. Additionally you could also use another site StickK. StickK to Your Goals to keep you motivated. The answer, in my opinion, is yes! I realize this is a serious accusation, but follow me on this. For every single person doing it at no cost, there must be at least 3 times the product paid for from others.
There is no situation where everyone gets the product for free. If you understand how it works, you end up referring other people to buy product. It still hits what the FBI says about pyramid schemes:. Some are pyramid schemes. In referring people you have not made a sale to someone outside of ViSalus, but recruited what amounts to a distributor who can refer others as well. It is a very, very tricky thing for most people to understand without having experience in looking into these schemes.
The FTC has put out a lot of documentation on this. Given the skewed money at the top, the people at the bottom lose money. Recently ViSalus put out an interesting press release. Veteran heavy hitters Patrick Ashby, C. It proceeds to list them and give a little profile. Achievement in rank and income depends upon many factors such as hard work, determination, financial resources and social contacts.
The fact is C. So it was the contact list that made him a 2-Star Ambassador at ViSalus. Now do you think C. Debts mounted, marriages failed. I highlighted the key point as this article is about ViSalus and not Mary Kay. If you lose 1 pound you can not get your money back.
So if you are a little bloated the first day you weigh in or maybe constipated then you weigh in at losing 1LB you in fact have not lost anything but yet you are out of you money. I had over active customers in the beginning of June , by September I had less then 40!!
So how was that my fault, when I followed the system to a T? I use to unknowingly tell people the same lie you are currently telling others. May 8, Press Release:. August 2, Press Release:. The Company also has nearly 4, qualified promoters internationally. Prior year second quarter ending promoter count was over , March 14, Press Release:. ViSalus and their representatives make it sound like it easy to build your own pyramid scheme recruit a team, but with many more people leaving than joining, clearly getting people to join is a very difficult task.
If everyone in was able to recruit only one person, distributors would double, but instead it is going in half. What are the odds that you are going to be able to recruit 3 who will also recruit 3 who recruit 3, etc.? Vi-Net Pro consists of a website and a magazine. The website is a place where you can send prospective ViSalus buyers to.
ViSalus maintains it and updates it with videos, a way to capture contact information, and a few other features. Remember that MLM distributors are commissioned employees. This is like your company charging you to use their corporate email system to work for them. Websites are incredibly cheap to produce get a free Tumblr or WordPress blog for instance , and the development of the tools they are providing appears to be minimal.
WordPress blogs can do all this for free with little or no programming. With the Vi-Net Pro comes a magazine called Success. Success pitches MLM in the most positive light and never mentions the negatives. The reason for that? Success Magazine is owned by VideoPlus. You could get your own Swiper without ViSalus. First, they deceive distributors into thinking they are doing all this work. Ideally, they would completely cover, or at least split that cost with distributors and make up the difference increased sales.
Thanks to some great sleuthing by commenter Brandon, we can crunch some numbers and find out how much the average ViSalus distributor makes.
The commissions paid out to distributors has to be a fraction of that since ViSalus needs money to produce the product and pay corporate. ViSalus supporters claim that Nick Sarnicola the founder in question resigned from the company to be a distributor and show that anyone can be successful in ViSalus.
Unfortunately, ViSalus just poached other MLM company downlines getting many high ranking distributors to each bring over thousands of distributors under Sarnicola. How did Sarnicola recruit all these people? MLMs often offer private signing bonuses to those who have created a substantial pyramid. Of course he only admitted this behind the scenes deal because Robert Dean took the money and then left ViSalus. So sure you could have the same success as Sarnicola in ViSalus, but only if you are given both the means and the connections to poach top people from numerous MLM downlines.
ViSalus canceled their IPO citing market conditions… which seems disingenuous because the Dow Jones was at a 4-year at the time and ViSalus was claiming great growth. I received a comment about Project 10 Kids. The idea behind this program is to give overweight or obese children 30 ViSalus meals when a ViSalus distributor or customer loses 10 pounds or gains 10 pounds of muscle.
This is a very classic MLM charity scam. The commenter made the point that the kids are getting kid-sized shakes that are half the already diminutive shakes mentioned above… 45 calories. Using the above numbers of it costing a consumer about 50 cents per Vi-Shake serving, the kids shake, at half size, would be 25 cents. The title of this article made the point that ViSalus was a scam. ViSalus distributors and supporters take exception of the use of the word scam with ViSalus.
Wikipedia defines scam as a confidence trick. At a minimum, the marketing around ViSalus Vi-Shape Shake is clearly designed to deceive… to a level that the Canadian regulator boards are looking into it.
The business opportunity on average grosses people very little money and likely puts people at a loss when accounting for buying product, website costs, and other marketing materials. Whether you found what you were looking for or not in the article above, I want to help you with your financial situation. For more visit my five minute financial fixes article. I appreciate you for just being here. The person recruiting you has a financial incentive to present only one side of the story.
Kudos to you for searching for more information to make an informed decision. I also liked this article: Is it a brave new world of health and success, or just a pyramid scheme? Rob, I think you would be interested in reading the comments starting May 18, at 2: Overall from what is written Lazy man would accept the product as long as it was on the shelf at a GNC and would except the company if it did not pay past the first level ie a franchise.
The discussion talks about the simulates between an MLM which is without exception viewed by lazy man as pyramid scam and other types of business that hold the same structure but are not considered pyramid scams by lazyman. All in all, i personally feel that most people are not truly ready to work for them selves. They have the mindset of an employee that will work 60 years only to retire broke.
But the part about visalus assuming the lease payments for those who fall out of qualification is a dumb comment. So if I qualify one month and do nothing the next month Visalus should pick up the tab for me sitting on my ass? Network Marketing is if you perform, you get paid. If you do not perform you should not get paid. Why not just give everyone an equivalent cash bonus, without attaching the strings?
The simple answer, they want people to have the threat of bankruptcy to get them pressured to recruit. Looking around at other sales industries, items like car incentives based on monthly performance are not rare and when production stops so does the companies willingness to pay for them. It is very different. For more information see this article: Most likely because the BMW is indeed a marketing tool to attract people to the product and to promoting.
In depending on the industry and the size of the company, companies use either company owned leases or incentive payments so the person can chose their own home or car. Of course, with corporate positions the rank is more stable but in the same way as sales, if the person was to lose the rank or the job in general the payment would also be lost. I read the article in the link from aug speaking about numbers from 4qtr I also read some other articles noting that in the sales were a mere 34 million.
It seems like they now are regaining growth as they are appear to be above their numbers. I received an email recently that gave me a lot of information. I leave the analysis and verificiation as an exercise to the reader, but it sounds logical to me. If you look at revenue, Best Buy, has grown each of the last 4 years.
Where would the collapse be? Settle down… you appear to be a little heated. From they way you made it out to be it was a big production but it still has under videos at less then 10 minutes each.
I think you are vastly over stating this as advertising expense. I can see why you would say that it should be avoid if you can not afford the car with out ViSalus… And your right, if the car is outside of you financial stability you should not get the car. It would be illogical for any company MLM or not to keep a fleet of cars for the normal use of a non local employees. Do you blame the person who buying a new truck because they believed they were going to have stipend or the company for providing the stipend?
BestBuy sold off both its European and Chinese businesses is still routinely closing its stores and laying off employees to keep a positive margin.
The grow of bestbuy at this point is due to a positive US economy and the recent releases of new tech such as the iPhone. If one is not a collapse then why is the other? I think it appears to be heated, because you seem to be defending the car program. In my opinion it is very irresponsible.
Other commenters have backed it up. Typically these are under NDA and only come out in a lawsuit. You do understand how pyramid schemes collapse right? You do understand that Best Buy exists by selling product and not recruiting people to open up Best Buy stores, right? Besides all that, you should read the problem of supply and demand in MLM here.
MLMs have no problem creating millions of suppliers even if there is no demand for product. They focus on recruiting of more suppliers. They also reward the people who create more suppliers rather than those who actually sell the product themselves. It is hard to imagine anything else more fundamentally flawed. MY wife and I were visalus reps for about 6months We both did ok, here more than me, but we could not keep with adding more customers and replacing those that dropped out.
We lost more money than we made, and spent way too much time with the company. If you are looking at a good weight loss shake, invest in a nutribullet. They are awesome and you can throw in some protein. I get my protein from Sams clubs and it is a heck of lot cheaper than Visalus.
It could mean a hundred different things to a hundred different people. It is not a fraud or pyramid scheme. If they had no product at all to sell and only made money off current members or recruiting more members than it would be a pyramid scheme. Now I am not saying it works or you can become rich. You need to educate yourself on what a pyramid scheme is. It can indeed have products. The FTC shut down Vemma for being a pyramid scheme a few weeks ago.
They had claimed to be an MLM for years. Notice that neither McDonalds or Home Depot has a disclaimer about being a pyramid scheme. When will the Vi Life craziness end?
My wife got us involved and drove our family into financial ruin. Her partying with other Vi Lifers almost ruined our family. And, now it is coming to Kansas City. It is a scam. Everybody seems to know it except those who are most desperate for money and fame. How many more lives will this and other Direct selling scams gave to ruin before people wise up? What a sad shame! My soon to be ex wife if that tells you anything got wrapped up in this circus close to three years ago. She was lured by a younger group of suave men living a seemingly rich lifestyle driving BMWs and living the high life.
They told story after story about how they are all making 6 figures a year with lots of time off to come and go as they please. It is one thing after another with this group and unfortunately it seems that they are preying on a demographic that is either young and desperate for quick money, an uneducated group with few to no skills for real employment, or the 40 something housewife desperate to be financially independent.
The most disturbing was a young girl in college that wanted to focus on school and grades once she realized this was a dead end street. I saw dozens of young individuals and couples throw in more money to this than they ever could afford in hopes of making a long term business out of it. After a few months they dropped out for greener pastures….. I strongly recommend asking to see their from the previous year when these clowns start spouting off about how much money they have made. I have personally done it and the conversation changes very quickly.
I have yet for any of the upper pyramid people to be willing to back up their monetary claims with a or any other tax information. After dropping out for roughly a year she is trying to build her down line ….. That was her best month of her doing it full time. As far as the product itself goes….. As a former trainer and national level competitive bodybuilder, I will tell you that ViSalus is not the way to go if you want to loose weight and get in shape.
They are marketing a fun, quick, easy way to loose weight and get in shape….. It takes dietary discipline and exercise. There is nothing fun, quick, or easy about being successful in that area. Mark — Thank You. She jumped at the BMW and the bragging rights that came with it but we lost that in 6 months. She had a little business that she let go in hopes of getting rich as an MLM Entrepreneur and we list tge little house we had. I just recently ended my promoter-ship with ViSalus. Holy heck, once you drink the cool-aid it really is down hill from there.
I joined in March According to her, and I never saw any proof, she qualified for her BMW in her first two weeks. Afterall, ViSalus preaches hard work and dedication, I was all of that and more.
It still baffles me how some folks seem to be able to scam others into joining their downline. Tara quit on Sunday. Yesterday she posted about her experience, and that her income has gone down with Vi for 3 years straight, and that she was never home in to spend time with family.
In the comments she admits to not liking the lies. Then there are sycophants telling her they appreciate her honesty. Can you send a link to the post. Everyone must choose their own path. Create your own story. The company hit momentum and…. I was new in the industry. Everyone in the company told me to stay. I had no faith in that company.
So I looked around. I found company 3. Just on Delta Airlines in I flew 87 flights just for business. I have a report. I thought I was going to be with this company forever. Unfortunately after losing over 2, BMW qualifiers and over 6 figure earners, you have to stop and think: I hope the company continue to thrive. They have changed my life and many others.
So here I am now, still on the mission of life, health and prosperity. Still helping people get healthy through products and education. We found an incredible home that I truly think will be a great place to call home. A place that has unparalleled retention, patented, innovative products back by 40 years of science, over a dozen peer reviewed clinical studies, and stability. Everyone has to choose their own path.
So yes, this is my 4th company. Will it be my last? I just really want people to WIN. She let her little business go to live the ViLife, too. What a bunch of crap. We are slowly recovering now but she still has her Vi friends which is a concern. I also found out that a bunch of the high-up-the-chain folks that recently left Vi are now at [omitted].
Nick Sarnicola has publicly scorned them. It was on his public FaceBook page: Royal Ambassador Rachel Jackson and about other high-tiered individuals have left Vi, I mean, resigned, and are now with [omitted]. I had an old upline badger me the other day about joining them, no thanks, I am all done with pyramid…:: I also happen to know that two few six-figure folks are juggle Vi AND [omitted] which is also very clearly stated as a no-no:. With all of the high level defections, why do the low level people stay?
Does anyone know whether next week shindig in Kansas City is still on? Why would anyone believe the sales pitch when the big rats are jumping ship? Nick Sarnicola is a scam-artist. YAH, she DID, she was forced to transfer some of her customers to her to make up the difference because she never made that money.
Tara does not deserve a free pass. If she lied about her income, or the value of equity, then she is a very bad person. She boasts of those she has helped, but takes no responsibility for those financially hurt. Her words above sound like she wants to be applauded for having the foresight to jump to a different company, before it went out of business. Like that was a smart move on her part. Went out of business? She knows what MLM is about, and to jump into yet another one proves in my book that she is not as altruistic as she would like her followers to believe.
Tara has a psychology degree from Berkeley, one of the best universities in the nation. I make weekly money off over 10 customers not promoters.. Well anyone can run it how they want. My brother was the first Visalus camp and later developed cancer. As he was laying on his deathbed, Nick and his buddies came to visit him to put a Visalus blazer on him and give him an oversized check.
The following week, I saw a video of Nick in San Diego telling his followers the story of my brother. It was heart warming… up until the part when he told them that my brother was relieved be receiving a 6-figure monthly income to provide for his family as he was dying. Shame on Nick, his company of lies, and his willingness to take advantage of so many people. It basically blew up and everyone recruited their friends and friends friends to sell.
It seems as though Visalus ruined Britt and Mia St Aubin as they are no longer engaged and she has a blog about how they were blowing all the money they spent during the challenge. One big thing i notice about MLM is that it i ALL about showing off how well you are doing in life and your fancy house, car and vacations.
Anyways, i noticed that the HUGE stadium they had at Vitality in Miami suddenly shrunk to the half a stadium in St Louis and then a small room in LA… i bet next weekend it will be even smaller! I have no problem with Visalus but i can tell you they really screwed up with the products! What makes those ViBites so special? I am a girl FYI but i find it funny how my friends really do buy those products.
Anyways, she got so much hate mail from everyone at Visalus about quitting blah blah blahhhh.. Please expose the scam on her and Matt Trainer. IMO its really a matter of time before they resolve. These people are all master manipulators that teach people to live beyond their means.. It was obvious to see this coming bc all is quiet on the Visalus and ViLife front.. It uses a different hunger blocker. Where 18 Shake uses Fibersol, IdealShake uses Slendesta — but 18 Shake contains more protein, less sugar, and fewer calories.
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